, and the regime couldn't conquer there, and an arab city, a urban area, and there's cohesiveness among the people so there was an airstrip there to bring supplies there. those things eventually won the war. when the u.s. thought of a no-fly zone, okay, the guys move east to west. then the war was stalemated very quickly. what you had -- what you saw was a gradual explanation, fixed wing planes to helicopters, french brought those in couple months later for precision and be able to bomb those regime targets, and then you brought spotters on the ground and special forces, western special forces to work with the rebels. there was a garage wall escalation. >> should that happen in syria or what's your view? >> i think the problem in syria is if we go to the no-fly zone, no guarantee that's leading to a rebel victory. what we haved too is try to work, find and negotiate is settlement with the regime to have a soft landing in this point in time. >> do you think the regime had plenty of time to think about sort of the negotiated settlement. do you think they have any appetite for one? >> i th